Don't expect anything contemporary or liberal. Not once in the New Testament do you find even a hint that a church was legitimate because it was founded by Paul or called itself by a particular name. It is an important part of the church. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. They were a New Testament church, not because of a succession of churches or men, but because they formed their church on the principles of the New Testament. You are doing exactly what Mark 7:7 speaks against, you are teaching false doctrines and commandments of men. Drinkers go to the next town to buy their drinks. -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. Just because all churches do something a certain way (whether its tithing, tithing a tenth, standing on their heads when they pray, or whatever) doesnt make it correct. Here ar ethe key words: ought to have done without leaving the others undone, which would mean that tithing is good. It is important to note too, that each Believer must be passionate about winning lost folks to Christ. This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. I agree! The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. 7) divorce as the unpardonable sin you can be forgiven if you kill someone, or if you have been saved from a homosexual lifestyle, but God help you if you have been divorced, they will still let you come to the meetings but you have to set on the back row. We never shun people who leave the church. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. 4:1-5, 1 Cor. But this article simply exposes the Baptist system as just another denomination among tens of thousands. Hi Ahlayashabi Please forgive us if we have offended you in any way. WHAT IS AN INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST CHURCH? There was no hierarchy in the churches he founded, which were patterned after the simple New Testament example. p.s. The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. Also, those who God draws will come to Christ and believe in Him. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . Yes, we do preach not to be unequally yolked with non-belivers and I agree with that. The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. Bob So true, the subject that I simply couldnt justify (there were several) with my old fundy churchs teaching with scripture, was tithing. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. Back in England these men, on returning to England, formed the first recorded Baptist church on English soil. Thats all. Even the enemies of the Baptists openly recognize their zeal for the Word of God. I am not in favor of tactics that play on peoples emotions so as to secure a visible result. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. For example, we had Dish installed in our home a few weeks ago. This group is to help Pastors locate KJV IFB Churches. It seems as if the preacher thinks it is within his ability to persuade people to accept Christ or to get people to witness or whatever. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. Memoirs of a Recovering Fundamentalist, 55. BTW, my Church of Christ neighbor and I were good friends, and looked out for each other. Many churches by this time had come under the domination of the Rome government and had ceased from being New Testament churches. May God bless Bob. I think most people would agree with me on this. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. People who study dont fall so easily for false teaching. We are not under law. After Henry VII separated England from the Roman Catholic Church the Baptist faired no better. The true Independent Fundamental Baptists have no association or fellowship with these churches because they teach or practice things contrary to the New Testament. Thanks and may God bless. 2 Corinthians 9:6 Prosperity Giving Deception, 76. For example when Jesus said to not store up treasures on earth where they would persih but in HeavenI believe Hes refering to at least in part some Godly endeavors (that often take money)that we do for His namesake. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. I understand what you are saying by the verses you referenced in John. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: Listening To The Critics A Response To James Ach, 56. Furthermore I believe it involved religion. Fundamental Baptists are strict in interpreting the Bible in a literal sense. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. It seemed that if some people (which were severalactually almost all with very few exceptions) were given any place of position within the church, they responded with a sole purpose for having the pastor pleased with them, and definitely staying in his face about ideas which truly seemed more personal preference than such ideas of benefit. Tithing I believe is liberty. These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. It is well to note that not all Virginians felt this way. I cannot judge this man. The sole authority for any true church is Gods Word and not it founder, or its heritage. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. Although we gladly accept donations offered it is not required. I believe any church that does that is potentially cultic because that means they worship the preacher rather than the Lord. He can make it without out $$$, but we need to learn to let go of it. I love your statement above about The Grace economy I think Im going to have to borrow it. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. I began my spiritual walk with Jesus studying the New Testament, but my journey through the Old Testament only reinforced my belief in the New and showed me more about God. Please see the Tithing Deception and Tithe 10% or Get Punished articles for more information. Cooper P. Abrams, III ALL RIGHTS RESERVED: This publication has been reprinted with permission from the author. v-43 Stop grumbling among yourselves, Jesus answered. This is Bible 101 stuff. Examine any church in light of these five distinctive it will be shown if they are true historical Baptist congregation which is synonymous with what is a true biblical New Testament church. If other will share. @greg Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. The New IFB website and social media accounts - launched in early 2018 - have been taken down, and some pastors have distanced themselves from Anderson and his movement. Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. IFCA International was founded in 1930 as the Independent Fundamental Churches of America in response to the growing apostasy within the major denominations. In other areas Baptist churches were being formed about this same time. The acapella voices were very beautiful, and I knew she would have enjoyed hearing them. The Baptist bases his authority solely on the Bible itself. The point is Jesus not only did not condem it but He said it should not have been left undone. The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. Knolleys joined other dissenters left England. So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. Lynne, They tried to establish that according to history, Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ. There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. But I dont self-identify as a Baptist any longer, I simply say that Im a christian. 521 13 AVE W. WILLISTON ND 58801 (701) 572-7839 CH. We use our monetary resources alone. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. Ok how about some peace Blessed are the peacemakers I apologize for my abrasive writing style and did not purposely write to offend you, but make no mistake, someone can be dunked until they know every minnow by name, but that doesnt make them saved. You either comply or you are thrown out. Benedict in his history of the Baptists states the Gospel was preached in Britain within sixty years of the Lords return to heaven. It shows Gods promises to us and more importantly it shows us Gods fulfilled promises to the church. Suppose too that some of them on reading that Bible were to believe and repent of their sins and place their trust in Gods Son and His redemption for personal sin. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Many churches were organized in the following years. This was the birth of Protestant churches. This charter was the very cornerstone of American religious freedom! So what is the solution? The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. Sorry to tell you, but youve been deceived. I also believe that hanging around with non-Christians is detrimental to ones faith as I have done this. Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. The line of English churches that can be traced, who called themselves Baptists, began in 1610 in Holland. Tithing is still a required act in obedience just like loving the Lord thy God and loving thy neighbor as thyself is. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! I watched a man die last week. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. These New Testament believers rejected every attempt to include them in with the other churches who compromised and accepted the Roman governments money, rule and authority. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? To say there is a unbroken line or succession of Baptist churches from the time of Christ until today cannot be shown from history. I believe that the King James Version is the inspired, preserved Word of God for the English speaking people This kind of power is frightening to meet with. Seeking to be faithful to the Word of God, the early Bible church movement sought to provide fellowship, counsel, and cooperation. It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? I am not trying to be overly critical and yet I only have a certain amt of time to get to my points and while doing that I often come across that way, so forgive me. My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. Using the KJV only is not the problem. One young lady began attending a non IFB Baptist church. I can certainly forgive you. This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. Blessings. In 1995 the group reported 69,857 members and 670 congregations. Some IFB are good fellowships, some Plymouth Brethren Open) are good fellowships..etc. Unaccountable. They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. @ Bob & Greg, I cant say how much I agree with your posts. It was founded because some saved men believed the Bible and wanted to follow the New Testament example of what a true church should be. Other Anabaptists groups were in gross error and corrupted. A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. Tithing is not for God. I believe it is almost impossible to grow to a complete relationship with God without knowing his nature. Church Directory Sub-pages. This is just too weird for me to not comment on. I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it. PO BOX 292. What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? . He began by baptizing himself and then baptizing ten other members. So Im guessing that pretty much every Church other than Ivor Church has a dress code. They were intolerant to anyone who did not agree to the authority of the Puritan church, which was supported by a governmental church tax of all the people. Not because of how we dress but by who we are. G.L. It began with a man named John Smyth who was a bishop in the Church of England. Today we are excited to announce Independent Baptist Churches. So I still think Just about every Church has Strict dress Standards whether they know it or not. Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. Thats NOT in the Bible anywhere! KJV Church Directory. Churches in USA; Churches in Canada; Churches in Australia; Churches in the UK; Churches Worldwide . 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. I think Calvary Chapel churches are great. It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. 3:3). They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. @bob Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. He is light years away from the legalism of the last church, but holds tightly to the KJV (too tightly I think) but is not fanatical like the last pastor. One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. Before the America won its independence and the Constitution became law, the Episcopal church, which was the American branch of the Church of England, was the only legal church in Virginia. First anytime a mans name is attached to a system of theology my antennae go way up, think Campbell, Calvin, Arminius, Smith etc. Not all IFB churches are this way. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. (man of God). Select church size. However, John the Baptist was an Old Testament saint and the last Old Testament prophet (Matt. She is not shunned. America needs great Independent Baptist churches again. You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. So many churches have lost wonderful ministry opportunties by turning away those hurting, divorced folks, its a shame, God help us all to be sensitive to those who are hurting all around us. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Comprized of many nationalities and backgrounds, the secret of successat CR, is that this is a Bible Chuch revolving around King Jesus. The most important center of early Baptist churches was around Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love. In 1684, Thomas Dungan started a church at Cold Springs, New York which lasted until 1702. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: That shows your lack of emotional maturity. Our Beliefs JESUS CHRIST Jesus Christ is at the center of everything. Im sure you realize all this, but I thought I would throw my voice in it. Knolleys was under deep conviction of the need to preach the New Testament and follow its example as ones rule of faith. No, we are to teach and preach the Word. Read More. S.J. It has received 39 reviews with an average rating of 4.7 stars. 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible At any rate, logical fallacies dont need to be in or out of context to be called logical fallacies. Please elaborate, Should have said of course no singing with musical accompaniment.. My responsibility is to preach the Word. Places Near Chandler, AZ with Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches. The idea the bread and wine (grape juice) in the Lords Supper becoming the physical body of Christ when taken is a Roman Catholic teaching that Protestants only changed slightly. Steve must have been on vacation or something. The pastor's name is Kevin Draganac. They say they hold to the NT pattern, and yet, they do not. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? all churches that support tithingtithe a tenth of their income to building Gods kingdom. I was able to better understand the New Testament. The Presbyterians took over the job of persecution biblical believers and forbade Knolleys from preaching in parish churches. If someone just wanted to wear their socks and nothing else to Church they would probably not be allowed in most Churches. [CDATA[ Jesus was prophesied in the old testament. Adulterous generally hide their actions. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. The tourists and the police finally separated after hundreds of dollars changed hands. Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). Questions/comments: Pastor Brewer's email: Wprophet@aol.com. Ive experienced this kind of power over and over again in the church. It is in fact Gods Word in 17th century english. The heading of the website is true. You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. A church only has authority to set guidelines on dress as it is addressed in Scripture. I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. Thus, resolving to follow the Lords commands in truth, in March, 1639 he formed the first Baptist church on American soil. But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. For example, G.L. (For a explanation of the biblical role of deacons please go to http://bible-truth.org/deacon.html, The pastor of the church is called by majority vote of the congregation. 4) strict obedience to the pastor Why, because it was founded on Gods Word and there is no necessity that it have contact with some other church which belongs to a succession of churches. We don't have enough information about nwbbc.com safety, we need to dig a little deeper before we make the call. I love the way David Hayword (aka The nakedpastor) explains some of the problem. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. Some Baptist churches believe in a succession of Baptist churches who passed down the authority to baptize and give the Lords Supper. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament. 4. Our pastor has NEVER once insinuated that the church ought to obey him. To only teach from the New Testament and ignoring the old is not using the whole Word of God. Baptists, basing their beliefs solely on the Bible, and in particularly the New Testament, have never held to these teachings and see them as heresy. By 1626, the churches had grown from one, to five churches and by 1644 there were forty congregations. I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.? The issue that concerns me about dress standards is that the position a church takes is a Biblical one. Baptists Briders, infer they can trace their history back to John the Baptist who was the first Baptist. He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. We preach modest clothing (unfortunatly most of the girls at my church dont adhere to it in that they wear skirts that expose all but a few inches of the upper leg). The form contains many questions about doctrine and philosophy of ministry. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. The crime of these men was that they believed the Bible was Gods Truth, and rejected dictates of false churches and men. Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowshipsmore common in the Northas well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! 3:8-13) are appointed from the local congregation and approved by the majority vote. When the Roman Emperor declared Christianity the religion of Rome, he in mass converted hordes of pagans which made up the Empire. (1 Tim. 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). It was my burden since then that it seems Jesus wants to gather His flock, but the Wolf in Sheeps Clothing really scattered the sheep resulting to lots of denominations. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. Other churches founded in New England and in the Middle colonies were the actual mother churches of modern Baptist churches as these churches were responsible for starting other churches. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. All youve done is pull some verses out of context and manipulated them to fit your point of view. I apologize for my assumptions! These true Baptists added the adjectives Fundamental and Independent to their name in order that they not be identified with the false practices and teaching of the doctrinally unsound churches using the Baptist name. We believe in salvation by grace through faith as described in Ephesians 2:8-9. 1. Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. Biblically neither Deacons or Trustees are a governing body, or a board, but titles of special appointed servants who serve at the will of the pastor and congregation. Pagan temples became the meetinghouses for Christians. Rome, then hired unregenerate pagan priests as Christian ministers. Salvation: It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. In reference to the quote you took it wasi n explanation in regards to another point poised regarding tithing a tenth of income vs. actual agriculture and/or stock as the Jews did back thenand it was in a common sense response to the rhetoric regarding why tithe a tenth of income vs possesions being sold, etc is done by most churche sin Usa & other developed nations. Anyone not holding Episcopal ordination was forbade to hold services. One of the most unsettling things to experience is dealing with corruption in power. The charge recorded against him was that he broached and divulged new and dangerous opinions against the authority of the magistrates. One of the cops finally suggested giving them all their American money and theyd be free to go with a warning. Jesus didnt find it necessary to dress differently than anyone else, why should the MOG? They submit a request to become affiliated and then are supplied with a form to fill out. Just because everyone else is doing it doesnt mean its correct. Sounds like maybe you are in a pretty good church. Will you join us? Greek Orthodox Churches; Unity Churches; Lutheran Churches; Eastern Orthodox Churches; While I do agree that there are some things that tradition has failed on (i.e. Ask these five questions of any church, and if they can answer all five in truth with a yes, then you will have a true Baptist church. Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot organize itself as a denomination. I can relate i was in a IFB church, glad to be out. Baptists have always been the champions of the Word of God and preaching of the Gospel. Any way dont want to lie on any church. Generally speaking, to be Reformed means to have one's roots in the Protestant Reformation of the 16th and 17th centuries. WHICH BIBLE YOU USE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. 5. The way a Christian dresses should be governed by their love for Christ and other people, not by rules imposed by a religious authority to make one look righteous.